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老严

本不该贴在这个技术论坛。。。但是。。
为了也关心这方面消息的 DX们
昨天Z/ X   C那个讲话，今天奥巴马就有反应。。注意他的用词。仔细体会下。
BEIJING, China -- China, flexing some of its might as a growing economic power, has suggested overhauling the global monetary system by boosting the use of an alternative to the U.S. dollar.
As the largest holder of U.S. debt, China has expressed concern about its investment if the dollar should collapse.
On Monday the governor of the People's Bank of China proposed expanded use of an alternative -- the International Monetary Fund's SDR, or Special Drawing Right, an accounting unit based on the euro, Japanese yen, pound sterling and U.S. dollar.
"Special consideration should be given to giving the SDR a greater role," Zhou Xiaochuan said Monday.
Wider use of SDRs would ease dependence on any one currency and limit the effects of a single country's fiscal policies, Zhou said.
For Americans, that could mean higher interest rates for loans of all types, including mortgages and credit cards.
China's suggestion comes ahead of next week's Group of 20 economic summit in London. The G-20 nations represent 85 percent of world's gross domestic product.  
Though the statement reflects China's unease with the long-term prospects of the dollar, it was not a major factor in the currency market on Tuesday, said Kathy Lien, director of currency research, at Global Forex Trading.
"I don't think market is reacting to [Zhou's comments], because the dollar is rising, not weakening," she said.
In his news conference on Tuesday, U.S. President Barack Obama said he didn't believe there is a need for a global currency.
"I would just point out that the dollar is extraordinarily strong right now. And the reason the dollar is strong right now is because investors consider the United States the strongest economy in the world with the most stable political system in the world," Obama said.
China has an estimated $2 trillion in foreign reserves and is the United States' largest creditor, having bought more than $1 trillion of its debt.
Despite its concerns, Beijing will keep buying Treasuries, even as it keeps a close eye on their value.
"Investing in U.S. Treasury bonds is an important component of China's foreign currency reserve investments," Hu Xiaolian, deputy governor of the People's Bank of China said this week. "We are naturally relatively concerned with the safety and profitability of U.S. government bonds."
Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao expressed similar concerns earlier this month.
"We have loaned a e amount of money to the United States," Wen said. "Of course, we are concerned about the safety of our assets" and "call on the United States to honor its word and stay a credible nation and ensure the safety of Chinese assets."
Washington is spending trillions of dollars to shore up the the U.S. economy, including a stimulus package, bailouts of top American industries and the purchase of billions of dollars in bad bank assets.

Those programs could undermine the dollar, making China's investments less valuable.
But China's purchase of U.S. debt helps, in a sense, to underwrite Beijing's success. By helping to underpin the economy of a top trading partner, China ensures that there will be a market for its consumer goods.

江水海水

jerry-gann

"I would just point out that the dollar is extraordinarily strong right now. And the reason the dollar is strong right now is because investors consider the United States the strongest economy in the world with the most stable political system in the world,"

obama那个人x 我呸~~~
还最强的经济实力国~~~我晕死~！
有实力就不印钱了~好哇~

中国的担心的对的~呵呵~~但是要怎么挽救呢~！

wuyin2025

中国应该坚决抛售美国国债，用得到的美元收购全球的资源

老严

设么是丛林法则？
-凭实力说话，从来就没有平等的关系。弱国无外交。设么是弱，什么是强，大家想一想。

polly-yang

老严，你的英语太厉害了吧
自愧不如！

老严

原帖由 polly-yang 于 2009-3-26 12:02 发表
老严，你的英语太厉害了吧
自愧不如！

你怎么能判断出呢？
英语好，就很希奇么？
我们学英语的条件不好，是客观条件造成的，没啥可自责。

老夫子

原帖由 wuyin2025 于 2009-3-26 11:38 发表
中国应该坚决抛售美国国债，用得到的美元收购全球的资源

，您抛美元去收购，您也得先问人家收不收美元呀？？除非人家也是傻子。。
阿Q。。。

垂钓沧波间

不认识E文。

baresi1977

Obama的回应太早了，那么早表决心，有些心虚

老严

原帖由 baresi1977 于 2009-3-26 14:21 发表
Obama的回应太早了，那么早表决心，有些心虚

米国人作风一向如此。

老严

原帖由 老夫子 于 2009-3-26 13:00 发表

哈哈，您抛美元去收购，您也得先问人家收不收美元呀？？除非人家也是傻子。。
阿Q。。。

hehe , 有钱无处买。中国铝业收购个力拓就搞得沸沸扬扬的。

mengshi

加拿大，墨西哥和美国比，是弱是强？他们和美得关系平等吗？请想一想。

原帖由 老严 于 2009-3-26 12:01 发表
设么是丛林法则？
-凭实力说话，从来就没有平等的关系。弱国无外交。设么是弱，什么是强，大家想一想。

[ 本帖最后由 mengshi 于 2009-3-26 15:18 编辑 ]

mengshi

客观看，奥说得是实话。
中国靠给美打工，牺牲环境和资源攥了点家底。
如果再不能守住，实为国家不幸。

老严

原帖由 mengshi 于 2009-3-26 15:24 发表
客观看，奥说得是实话。
中国靠给美打工，牺牲环境和资源攥了点家底。
如果再不能守住，实为国家不幸。

从反面理解他的话，它是最牛最稳定的，那暗示着我们又是什么呢？
呵呵，本人知识面有限，关于加，墨不太了解， 美加因该是一条船上的吧。
纯娱乐，看看， 评论评论， 无他意。

mengshi

主观理解是一回事，客观考察是另一回事。
他们都是邻国关系。以此类推，还可以举一些小国得例子。
丛林法则是部分国人对国际关系得误读。
事实上，美国主观上常常扮演罗宾汉得角色，当然是以他得价值观出发。
但至少美从不侵略他国。

老严

‘格林斯潘’又出来讲话了，放鸡血了。

People’s Bank of China Governor Zhou Xiaochuan said the world’s third-largest economy is recovering and contrasted his government’s “decisive” action with delays in other countries.
“Leading indicators are pointing to recovery of economic growth,” Zhou said in an article on the central bank’s Web site today. The government “has taken prompt, decisive and effective policy measures, demonstrating its superior system advantage when it comes to making vital policy decisions,” he said.
Zhou called this week for the creation of a new international reserve currency, signaling concern at the dollar’s weakness and China’s ambitions for a leadership role at next week’s Group of 20 summit. Finance Minister Xie Xuren urged world leaders today to step up economic stimulus to restore market confidence and to fend off trade protectionism.
“China has clearly been moving ahead of the rest of the G- 20 in terms of thought leadership and laying the groundwork for what will be discussed,” said Glenn Maguire, chief Asia-Pacific economist at Societe Generale SA in Hong Kong. “China responded extremely quickly and with great vigor to the slowdown.”
China’s urban fixed-asset investment jumped 26.5 percent in the first two months from a year earlier, new lending quadrupled in February and vehicle sales rose 25 percent as the government implements a 4 trillion yuan ($585 billion) stimulus package. The Shanghai Composite Index has jumped 30 percent this year.
Systemic Risk
G-20 leaders convene in London April 2 to find ways of strengthening international regulation in the aftermath of the worst financial crisis since the 1930s.
China is becoming more assertive on international monetary and economic issues as the G-20 summit approaches. Earlier this month, Premier Wen Jiabao said he was worried about the value of China’s Treasury holdings and asked the U.S. to guarantee their safety.
Zhou said today that governments should consider giving mandates to finance ministries and central banks to use extraordinary means to contain systemic risk “in order to allow them to act boldly and expeditiously without having to go through a lengthy or even painful approval process.”
U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner called this week for expanded government powers to deal with failing non-bank financial institutions such as American International Group Inc.
Today, Geithner is expected to ask Congress to bring large hedge funds, private-equity firms and derivatives markets under federal supervision for the first as part of a revamp of U.S. financial rules, administration officials said on condition of anonymity.
Decline Curbed
On China’s economy, Zhou said measures already taken have produced “preliminary” results and the “rapid decline in growth has been curbed.”
Besides the stimulus package, China has cut interest rates five s since September, has offered incentives for exporters and has stalled the gain in its currency to achieve an economic growth target of 8 percent.
The Shanghai Composite Index gained 3.1 percent to the highest level in six weeks today. The gauge is the best performer this year among 89 benchmark measures tracked worldwide by Bloomberg.
Hong Kong billionaire Li Ka-shing said in Hong Kong today that investors with cash should consider buying equities and real estate, adding China’s economic recovery will be the “fastest.”
Global Recession
China’s growth slid to the weakest pace in seven years in the fourth quarter as trade slumped because of the global recession.
SAIC-Iveco Hongyan Commercial Vehicle Co., a Chinese truckmaker, said today it is winning orders from local miners for deliveries as early as the third quarter, indicating demand may be recovering.
“We are receiving truck orders for their operations in Southern Africa and India,” Matthew Wang, general manager of SAIC-Iveco Hongyan’s Kairui sales center, said in an interview during the Asian Mining Congress in Singapore. “Our business is increasing as copper prices rise.”
China will make more cuts to export taxes on textiles, garments, steel, non-ferrous metals, petrochemicals and electronics from April 1 to help revive key industries, the State Council said yesterday.
“Chinese policy makers seem increasingly confident that their response to the sharp fall in external demand has successfully limited the damage to overall growth,” said Brian Jackson, senior strategist at Royal Bank of Canada in Hong Kong.

天威太阳

麻烦顺便给翻译一下哈
或者说个大概意思

翻译的给加分

老严

总体来看，宏观调控政策已初见成效，一些先行指标有回暖迹象，经济增速过快下滑的局面基本得到遏制。事实表明，综合比较世界上主要国家应对金融危机的政策措施，我国政府在出台重大举措时决策及时、果断、有力，体现了独特优越性。（完）

大意如此。

mengshi

"I would just point out that the dollar is extraordinarily strong right now. And the reason the dollar is strong right now is because investors consider the United States the strongest economy in the world with the most stable political system in the world,"
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在下翻译奥这段关键得话：“我在此特别指出美元目前是非常强大得。美元强大得原因是因为投资者认为美国是世界上最强大得经济体，同时具备世界上最稳定得政治制度。”

老夫子

这几天全世界股票都涨
为了G20都要摆谱
露点鸡公肉------很强，很粗，很暴力

mengshi

在奥巴马的庞大救市资金已创人类历史记录之际，美国的失业率也升至25年来最高，由此折射出美国经济危机的程度。而奥巴马动用巨额国家资金救助私人企业，并倾向银行国有化的一揽子方案，则被经济学家视为“饮鸩止渴”，将把美国经济“毒化”。

截至二月底，美国失业率已超过百分之八，是1983年以来的最高点。而两年前（2007年）美国失业率才是5.0%。在布什执政的前七年中，美国的失业率平均是4.7%。更之前克林顿执政的八年，平均是5.2%。

虽然美国的失业率飙升到8.1%，但是和中国、欧洲相比，明显还是有相当的不同：根据中国官方公布的统计数字，2008年中国城镇人口失业率是4.2%。中国的统计方式和西方不同，它只统计城市人口，而不是按全国人口来计算（中国十三亿人口多数在农村，如全国统计，失业率一定更高）。但即使这个“城镇”失业率，也被专家指出有水分。中国社科院经济学者张车伟最近引述该院发布的《社会蓝皮书》说，中国城镇失业率现已升到9.4%（比政府公布的多出两倍以上）。

在中共召开人大政协“两会”期间，身为政协委员的北大经济学教授萧灼基对媒体说，中国城镇的实际失业率大概在15%到20%，这还不包括农村将近一亿的潜在失业人口。这位经济学家直率地说，“中国的失业率是全世界最严重的”。

和欧洲相比，美国的失业率也不是最高。在法、德、意、英这欧洲四大国中，法国去年失业率是7.8%，现已升至8.3%（超过美国），欧盟预测，今年将会升至9.8%；德国失业率现也升至8.5%（也超过美国）；意大利也好不到哪里，欧盟预计意大利失业率今年将达8.2%，明年会升至8.7%。英国由于当年撒切尔首相大幅减税、推行充分市场化政策，因此在欧洲大国中经济一直领先。但近年左翼工党执政后，经济也走下坡路。据伦敦的最新报告，英国失业率明年将突破10%。欧洲更严重的是西班牙，失业率今年初已升至14.8%，为欧元区中失业率之最。

从欧洲这么多国家都有高失业率，显示这场经济危机，并不是美国独有，也不是美国的所谓房贷出现问题就能带动、传染而成的，它是全球性的一次经济修正。

面对这场全球性经济危机，美国新任总统奥巴马热衷凯恩斯主义来救市，即政府强势主导经济，扩大政府开支；同时用纳税人的钱，来救私人企业。例如知名的美国花旗银行（Citibank）出现金融问题，奥巴马政府就注入巨额资金，使该银行的国营股份达到近四成。不仅对金融业，奥巴马政府还向亏损严重、股票快成垃圾股的美国三大汽车公司投入钜资。专家认为这是“无底洞”，因只要三大汽车公司漫天要价的左翼工会不消失，庞大的工会福利负担不卸下的话，政府注入多少钱都是杯水车薪。

最近接受《华尔街日报》调查的49位美国经济学家，多数都对奥巴马的经济政策失望，评分是不及格。他们给予奥巴马的评分平均只有59分（满分为100）。即使中间偏左的知名美国有线电视台MSNBC的网上民调，多数美国人也认为奥巴马的表现“不及格”。近11万人参加“给奥巴马总统打分数”的网路调查，其中60%给奥巴马的评分是F（不及格），另有12%给的是D（也是不及格）。

美国很多经济学家指出，奥巴马启用早就被历史淘汰的凯恩斯主义，不仅救不了“市场”，反而会使美国经济恶化。在近代西方，经济学界一直是两种思潮或价值的对抗，左派信奉凯恩斯主义，强调政府对经济的宏观控制，倾向政府主导经济，出现问题由政府救市、救经济。右派信奉哈耶克主义，强调政府不能干预经济，政府只能做一个守夜人（保护国家和个人安全），应由市场这个“看不见的手”来自然调节经济。如果由政府官僚来主导经济，政经不分，结果就是《走向奴役之路》。道理很简单，如果政府能够管好经济，能使经济繁荣，那么就不需要市场，只要不断扩大政府规模就行了。但事实正好相反，政府规模越大，政府对经济的左右权越大，官僚主义会更严重；对经济的人为干预，破坏市场的自身运作规律，结果只能导致贫穷。共产国家的政府包揽一切，计划经济，结果一穷二白，就是凯恩斯主义推到极端的恶果。近年中国经济发展，恰恰是由于走向资本主义、实行市场经济。

但支持奥巴马救市政策的左派学者，像《纽约时报》专栏作家、不断强调马克思主义经济学的保罗·格鲁曼就强调，凯恩斯那一套经济学还有用。他们说，因为美国目前处于经济危机，大众不敢消费，企业不敢投资，银行不愿贷款；只有政府这个时候大笔撒钱，才能填补这个“空白”，由巨额扩大政府开支，大兴土木，建造更多公共项目，就会增加就业，刺激经济启动。他们形容说，美国经济就像坏在路上的汽车，只要大手笔花钱救市，就等于给汽车上的熄了火的电瓶充上电，一下子把汽车启动起来，于是美国经济就会“上路”，又可快速奔跑。

但美国目前经济危机，关键是人们（企业和消费者）的信心问题。这个问题不是政府多花钱，多撒钱就可以解决的。只有人们看到经济环境真的改善，经济政策真的有利企业发展，包括减税，减少对企业的限制，降低市场交易成本，让企业有钱扩大再生产，也就是真正有利可图，企业自然就会恢复信心，扩大投资。消费者也同样，只有看到整体经济大环境真的改善，企业恢复了信心，他们才会去买道琼的股票，个人消费也会增加。

换句话说，只有走哈耶克的自由经济道路，让市场自然调节，让股票跌到谷底，最后自然会反弹。任何一个市场经济，都一定会有牛市、熊市，有倒闭、破产，只有淘汰不按经济规律办事的企业，尤其是国营性质的经济体，那些中小企业，其他遵守市场要求的厂家才会有出头、成长的机会。就像森林再生一样，只有旧的、腐败的死掉，新的才会萌芽，最后茁壮成一片绿色。现在奥巴马的“救市”，就是“救”那些应该死掉的企业。他们以政府的名义，用纳税人的钱，注入这些企业，结果它们仍然不死不活，导致整个经济环境无法更新；结果只能像三十年代美国经济大萧条时，左翼总统罗斯福推行“新政”一样，政府更多干预，反而延长了经济危机，使经济萧条无法触底，当然就不能反弹，等于人为地延续了灾难。

中国古语说“饮鸩止渴”，就是描述这种状态：解一时之渴，中长久之毒。在美国经济危机的饥渴之际，奥巴马政府用大手笔撒钱（鸩），满足短视心理，结果只能毒化美国经济，使美国更社会主义化，其毒果将是深远的。


——原载台湾《看》双周刊2009年3月26日 作者：曹长青

老严

呵呵...

[ 本帖最后由 老严 于 2009-3-27 16:05 编辑 ]

mengshi

说得很好呀，国家社会主义，对于中国是条死路。
自由市场理论符合老子得无为而治得精髓。
坚决反对某些精英学者对老子思想得主观歪曲。