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标题: 给矩阵先生的图 [打印本页]
作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-6-22 21:23
标题: 给矩阵先生的图
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作者: yay    时间: 2007-6-23 11:49
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作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-6-23 16:15
原帖由 yay 于 2007-6-23 11:49 发表 % g4 y) _; ]9 P4 U
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谢谢yay版主,这是上次我向矩阵先生请教软件问题,也就是时间价格同时显示的功能, 矩阵先生要我画张图看看,下图是原始画在飞狐的情形,我对时间波的理解还在很初级的4 Z  {# {9 Z# j4 S
作者: afafaf    时间: 2007-6-23 16:19
这时间图不错,
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作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-6-23 16:35
原帖由 afafaf 于 2007-6-23 16:19 发表
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0 U+ U9 ^7 s7 M; \5 E# {谢谢阿发,这不是聚焦的观念,这是原先想定出规则的想法,但只能聚在某些时段机率较大,所以不理想,根本问题还是在时间波动的几何特性或算术特性,倒是很想看到你解说下你一直来最神秘不露的时间波循环,我到目前只看过老夫子的时间与空间可以任意转换,精确性也总让我激赏,虽然我总看得雾中雾,也邀他过来玩,老夫子谦虚不便到处谈论他的东西,其余就没看到时间与空间能熟练转换使用的人,希望阿发有空也谈谈时间波
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[ 本帖最后由 静芸 于 2007-6-23 16:36 编辑 ]
作者: 矩阵    时间: 2007-6-23 17:41
静芸美女
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/ G6 u7 Y+ k! n  V之前，在价格推算时，
6 T; i* ~) g; q$ p& r9 I& @我有想过，为什么不是以0为中心？3 K5 U  v  [: T: ~
以0开始其角度在线数字不能成为平方及其它数学关系，是最初的想法，3 y; ]4 I/ [/ F# k
但以数学来说，矩阵图从1开始，而不是从0开始，这是一个疑问？4 o. k0 d" i' {2 S4 A4 h
直到2000年的千禧年，一些人在争论，是2000年还是2001年才是千禧年时，
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4 z' }  z1 F$ F7 o" T( \时数学来说从0开始，没人会有问题，; L7 B: V  k/ H1 U9 y5 g$ ~
而在时间上使用，/ Z9 O8 n/ ^, @( B& p/ K
事件发生的起始日是1，从起使日的1开始起算时间，是可以被接受的，/ P! Q8 _2 i! \5 Z2 ^
于是一个刻度时间，对应一个刻度价格，
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* _! x3 O: x$ |, ]% ^4 c( b  H我想这就是甘氏的基准图中，其中心起始点都是1的原因；
' ?0 v, H$ V/ z8 h! T# d因为要与时间产生正确对应。$ R1 E, n6 _* W( z$ n% o4 h
这是以探讨为出发的想法，. N8 `( ^$ x$ \8 A3 g
而在用于操作，我的体会是，以时间角度来说，
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择一行之，就一路用下一去，其效果就会出来。
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这是我不会的，
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会有一些使用上的问题，
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也就是，矩阵图上的时间，很难（或不能）为其它所使用，; W% E$ k/ h! L! v5 J
必须对应矩阵图上的价格数字使用。; ]- k7 D$ W) M/ @9 @- A
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* c( h2 z! U+ r[ 本帖最后由 矩阵 于 2007-6-23 17:43 编辑 ]
作者: 我来啦耶    时间: 2007-6-23 17:47
终于发现有人谈论关于时间的零与一为起点的问题啦。
作者: 占一剑    时间: 2007-6-23 18:21
0与1的起始，应该是不同的。% u* T+ P5 h; C. F& _" p
但什么时候用0？什么时候用1呢？
作者: 乱弹飞絮    时间: 2007-6-23 18:52
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作者: afafaf    时间: 2007-6-23 19:23
原帖由 静芸 于 2007-6-23 16:35 发表
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谢谢阿发,这不是聚焦的观念,这是原先想定出规则的想法,但只能聚在某些时段机率较大,所以不理想,根本问题还是在时间波动的几何特性或算术特性,倒是很想看到你解说下你一直来最神秘不露的时间波循环,我到目前只 ...

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大到天体运动
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大自然(万物)
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天文学(天体)
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声学,光学
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[ 本帖最后由 afafaf 于 2007-6-23 19:35 编辑 ]
作者: afafaf    时间: 2007-6-23 19:46
原帖由 静芸 于 2007-6-22 21:23 发表 # Z) R3 D2 p  y: e' z' X
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6 y8 ]) T2 Q- f! {; x: S[ 本帖最后由 afafaf 于 2007-6-23 19:47 编辑 ]
作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-6-23 20:24
原帖由 矩阵 于 2007-6-23 17:41 发表 0 z3 ~0 k9 Z! F4 n8 V9 L& p  U
静芸美女/ M- i$ o+ H2 t  f
以0为中心点，跑出来的图，与1为中心点的图，基本上是差一格，6 ?3 d! d/ I" W0 J7 N+ X
之前，在价格推算时，* I& |$ R$ A4 V* ]3 I
我有想过，为什么不是以0为中心？
4 g9 ~  u9 b; n+ m% T! L0 C以0开始其角度在线数字不能成为平方及其它数学关系，是最初的想法，2 P/ s6 `% q' o! b7 e* E; }3 I
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谢谢矩阵先生的指导与深见,从0或1感觉上确实没差多少,所以就随意用0的  I7 g- }6 }6 I8 w
画在飞狐上通常我是用大三浪做为时间波基础,方便查看一,三浪的时间幅度对照,也方便比较修正浪或反弹浪的时间波相对比率或幅度,甚至二个修正浪或二个反弹浪的时间幅度,最后是三大浪的总时间幅度,前后交叉复杂对比这点是比九方图稍方便,我想套入九方主要想与法则同步观察,先生说的这二点确实深见,是飞狐图的零碎时间段落无法反映的
; V* J( o# T) T0 x6 m+ l( T) C: S1、您无法追踪及对应到下次时间的价位，这必须回到矩阵图中做观察。
( h) D$ z+ H+ p: N6 h- N2 R0 i也就是，矩阵图上的时间，很难（或不能）为其它所使用，
+ b0 B6 ~" L- q! ~( Q5 _3 b必须对应矩阵图上的价格数字使用。1 i2 f4 f6 I% U9 P
2、
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亦无法简单的实际进行操作，请参考『时间篇』第二章。
' O+ Q# s, Y) n) V( G+ Z; e: d/ J谢谢矩阵先生指导
作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-6-23 20:29
原帖由 afafaf 于 2007-6-23 19:23 发表 0 ^6 o$ m7 ?7 {
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股市是个综合学科
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例如:
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天文学(天体)
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阿发对自己让各坛时间波好手难以冠比的神秘时间波也不说一丁点
作者: liuweikkk    时间: 2007-6-23 21:35
原帖由 静芸 于 2007-6-23 20:29 发表
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1 [6 P( G3 L6 o1 W阿发对自己让各坛时间波好手难以冠比的神秘时间波也不说一丁点

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. w/ Z* z' o2 p  i) ?& L可能他比较腼腆，再者神秘二字的意思就是不能广为人知。对吧。
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' p% j1 V2 L% r  r0 n; Z阿发，阿发，我不和别人说，你偷偷的告诉我，呵呵呵。
作者: fox598888    时间: 2007-6-23 22:32
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作者: yay    时间: 2007-6-23 23:03
原帖由 liuweikkk 于 2007-6-23 13:35 发表 ' d6 e( c0 d1 u) E8 \+ {% I
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/ Z0 R+ `' n' }/ L; Y; n可能他比较腼腆，再者神秘二字的意思就是不能广为人知。对吧。
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作者: 梦飘漾    时间: 2007-6-24 11:01
看帖是学习,回帖是礼貌
作者: afafaf    时间: 2007-6-24 20:39
原帖由 liuweikkk 于 2007-6-23 21:35 发表
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可能他比较腼腆，再者神秘二字的意思就是不能广为人知。对吧。, d$ H1 L5 s9 p' j) `) ?, u
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很可惜在MACD论坛的原始帖子都找不到了/ K/ I* n4 r8 X/ P
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http://gann360.com是静芸给推荐的
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& o, S# ]$ d3 N$ ^+ h- x2 M# v[ 本帖最后由 afafaf 于 2007-6-24 21:26 编辑 ]
作者: liuweikkk    时间: 2007-6-24 21:29
原来发兄在其它的坛子也是名人阿。* G: _  t1 p: h0 ]+ z9 M9 z4 e' X: C

( @& i% }/ \, c2 j; d[本帖最后由 liuweikkk 于 2008-3-22 22:05 编辑 ]
作者: mzyma1355    时间: 2007-7-11 07:24
原帖由 占一剑 于 2007-6-23 18:21 发表
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但什么时候用0？什么时候用1呢？
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作者: 矩阵    时间: 2007-7-16 09:56
基本上应该是用1为起始，
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而如果一定要以0为起始，也没什么不可以，
1 c" _7 x' [( M3 b0 u要件是，从始至终都要以0为中心起始，
9 b  w5 b; a6 u3 i. }7 y9 C不能今是而明非，不能想换就换，才有一致性。
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作者: 老夫子    时间: 2007-7-16 11:45
静芸MM好.....
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作者: yay    时间: 2007-7-16 11:48
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-16 03:45 发表
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辛苦了
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作者: 跳跳雨    时间: 2007-7-16 13:05
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-16 11:45 发表
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欢迎欢迎!
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作者: 几何    时间: 2007-7-16 13:50
夫子兄来了，好。好。好。
7 l' @. D3 i  E+ {0 b来了就别走了。。。。。。
作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-7-16 15:42
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-16 11:45 发表
0 i; e+ c2 q# ?7 Q3 B' `! C静芸MM好..... # N; B: G" }9 V6 C) H
各位老大好...

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作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-7-16 16:04
原帖由 矩阵 于 2007-7-16 09:56 发表
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而如果一定要以0为起始，也没什么不可以，3 z% t9 Q. Q- ~, u8 O: k
要件是，从始至终都要以0为中心起始，  A5 ?/ m& e" R
不能今是而明非，不能想换就换，才有一致性。

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谢谢矩阵先生指导意见,
作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-7-16 16:13
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-16 11:45 发表 * F. y* B& C- W
静芸MM好..... ) O! c8 l7 s4 s% Q1 N; q
各位老大好...
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0 q0 [$ D0 X* `老人家的时价任意转换,别说我看得一团雾,想都不知从何想起,4 F/ K3 \# e5 w- B8 s

; s! Z* E( ^' }下面这是我的一位江恩高手朋友对另一位朋友说的一段话,非常有激励作用的话,也是让人日夜苦思苦恼的话
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老实说，有一种境界，你尚需强化…不是价位，与价位一点关系都没有，是时间，是周期，是一种单看k线就能预知未来会涨几天，跌几天，那时见底、见顶，这区段的型态是如何。…如果可做到这样，那价位…谁鸟他…’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
近日终于初步找到了我自己的中小循环的法则,
+ g! E+ }7 ^( H+ k" C我想要的境界是像这样的
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有一种境界，不是价位，与价位一点关系都没有，是时间，是周期，是一种不必看k线就能预知未来会涨几天，跌几天，那时见底、见顶，这区段的型态是如何也不必管。…如果可做到这样，那价位…谁鸟他…
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中小循环的法则已能接近这种效果,但大循环的构造还是比较粗造,两者精确性虽仍有仍探究空间,至少已经能让我满意了,何况还有空间法则可搭配
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作者: 占一剑    时间: 2007-7-16 22:26
欢迎欢迎夫子兄!!!
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作者: mzyma1355    时间: 2007-7-17 00:26
原帖由 矩阵 于 2007-7-16 09:56 发表 % V$ K% X2 d1 w" K7 n5 a5 c. N5 [
基本上应该是用1为起始，& ~0 |* R1 {  q" L" m& C2 j9 X
（不知有没有人看过甘氏以0为起始的图？）
. E1 j1 c. P$ O1 Z0 M而如果一定要以0为起始，也没什么不可以，
8 N5 [1 }% f$ ?/ i- k( ]3 @) ?3 S要件是，从始至终都要以0为中心起始，
0 i% X7 \8 `* M; Q% _" y9 w不能今是而明非，不能想换就换，才有一致性。
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感谢矩阵先生！！！
作者: mzyma1355    时间: 2007-7-17 00:27
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-16 11:45 发表
, C& K8 S6 t8 S' o. B7 U; a! }静芸MM好..... 6 z1 S* I+ k3 K
各位老大好...

( @8 q% [& v% _6 B: T, }+ A欢迎老夫子来到阳光飞狐《江恩理论交流》栏目！！！
作者: 矩阵    时间: 2007-7-17 02:33
mzyma1355兄/ B8 t( X$ O! Y+ ]6 W0 \
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不用客气！& o; w8 H& Z  L8 R9 Z" U- j
只是想及，以前刚摸索矩阵图时，9 k3 j5 F+ [9 K# L/ x2 [3 F8 [
一路上都有一些不知答案的问题，
' Q/ Z6 W5 }% X/ h1 x7 o7 x选择一边后，这一边又衍生出新的问题，
5 w$ c6 ]( g* u+ b4 o: E! e  m+ S好吧！/ U' Q' a2 ]5 s9 U# U% P
回到另一边，以为可以脱离，结果仍会进入另一种问题中，% g+ E3 X) T* L+ Y- m
久而久之。
2 [' ?" C2 z. N8 L$ n. e! @我理出一个头绪，3 s9 e+ R9 w4 g' t5 M! M
即是，选一边其实都可以，% |5 Y; N1 x, Y+ R2 I. b$ ]3 X5 P: d- b
每一边有一边的问题，要这个结果，就要丢掉一些东西，- m% o) D& m3 A% _
要想保留什么，就要忍耐结果的不满意。- t$ q: G$ q* c) E
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不过，整出10样后，总有两样可以凑在一起，
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其实很多年的时间就在抉择上跳动，
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- ^$ Q2 W2 Q4 A) G' J我连选都不选，* g0 {3 m* b$ v/ K0 R. {, @4 f0 S
所有的问题，所有的疑问，我全都做，全都走，
! @' `. l+ R, n1 z直到找出答案，直到确定知道，那一个才是好的，那一头才是对的！
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没有悔恨，所有的操作就没有情绪的问题。
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我仍然不知道，真正的波段高低点在那里？
* \  j9 c2 [" W, h也不是确定知道波段的转折时间？ （知道的话，我早到瑞士去了）
2 {  Y$ x3 ?) z不过，却知道哪里该进场，哪里要出场，" n6 a) Q5 I& n' H  q7 _
无论是一天操作3次，或10天操作一次，都不是问题，
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- F9 D( |0 G2 c4 Q当操作是无悔也无惧时，' |, }+ q; d1 F: _9 k" c% @
就能看清很多东西是真是假，是实是虚。  |3 {$ o  M" c0 d
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作者: yay    时间: 2007-7-17 08:43
原帖由 矩阵 于 2007-7-16 18:33 发表
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不用客气！7 p2 s9 H4 z7 F
只是想及，以前刚摸索矩阵图时，
2 S3 ?/ ?) _; q. t" t一路上都有一些不知答案的问题，
7 c0 v- R  z/ o  B选择一边后，这一边又衍生出新的问题，5 L( J0 X9 n, k( V, X9 r
好吧！6 _3 p; r& G$ g, |3 e
回到另一边，以为可以脱离，结果仍会进入另一种问题中，
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我仍然不知道，真正的波段高低点在那里？. P; }1 z8 J7 c6 w$ V9 y) n
也不是确定知道波段的转折时间？ （知道的话，我早到瑞士去了）& {" }) A4 s: @8 [2 V+ H. c
不过，却知道哪里该进场，哪里要出场，, ~* I! r5 M- c( \" D. @  ]! I8 A2 Z
无论是一天操作3次，或10天操作一次，都不是问题，
+ m8 Y+ i5 }% p' A6 |0 F* w因为知道哪里该进场，哪里要出场，所以无所惧！: W" S  V( e4 [  F* v7 I
当操作是无悔也无惧时，) Y0 ~% \- b- H7 L, z/ U  y; w; @
就能看清很多东西是真是假，是实是虚
大实在话, FANS必须好好思考之!
作者: 老夫子    时间: 2007-7-17 12:43
原帖由 静芸 于 2007-7-16 16:13 发表 ; g" @; `+ A6 W
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下面这是我的一位江恩高手朋友对另一位朋友说的一段话,非常有激励作用的话,也是让人日夜苦思苦恼的话+ ?  L/ y9 W' Z3 ]% ?1 I( k: W
“””””””””
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静芸好.....各位老大好..5 S  X) X, W5 }' h. G$ P
从这句话应可以看出是高人..时间周期是决定性的因素,如果找到那个数与数的唯一,即因果,即可知道各个对应循环中的涨跌情况,,,,几千年如一日真的不是空话...
9 q; R" x, I$ Z( U8 g昨晚与百年一人QQ聊,他的全息线就是这个时间的循环的表现.面且在时价转换方面有很多的思想有着惊奇的一致.对于用现在的价格转换成未来的时间拐点,在我构思中的天堂3中大的拐点是一致的..虽然我与百年是第一次聊天,所表达的思想内含虽有差别,但基本上是一致的....这是目前唯一我所了解或知道的与我思想相近的人..
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作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-7-17 20:25
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-17 12:43 发表
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! b/ p1 H, U6 x# U有一种境界，不是价位，与价位一点关系都没有，是时间，是周期，是一种不必看k线就能预知未来会涨几天，跌几天，那时见底、见顶，这区段的型态是如何也不必管。…如果可做到这样，那价位…谁鸟他------------ ...

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+ ?& r2 s' p+ E4 t( s- R" }5 I谢谢老人家,虽然对时价转换无一点概念,已大约了解其到达的境界
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作者: 占一剑    时间: 2007-7-17 22:10
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-17 12:43 发表 0 g: L  H9 b9 ]4 D
但基本上是一致的....这是目前唯一我所了解或知道的与我思想相近的人..; G/ e" q4 k. P5 v- G. _
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) M$ R) O2 ?' N0 H" O恭喜夫子兄!!!
作者: 老夫子    时间: 2007-7-19 23:01
谢谢阳光兄和静芸MM和发哥的信任和支持..
% w- H; {8 h0 F, u' _' w只是在本月后要休息一段时间,不再发贴和博文了..有负朋友们的厚望了...8 F- l0 |; p: s" U5 d$ }2 }
再次感谢朋友们.....祝顺利..$ c/ t2 k/ n6 o2 ~  d( d
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[ 本帖最后由 老夫子 于 2007-7-19 23:05 编辑 ]
作者: 占一剑    时间: 2007-7-20 00:11
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-19 23:01 发表   |! M4 H, J% ~7 ?
只是在本月后要休息一段时间,不再发贴和博文了..有负朋友们的厚望了...
* q0 j1 }% w# ~9 j# ]3 o再次感谢朋友们.....祝顺利..
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夫子兄是回避下跌?
作者: 静芸    时间: 2007-7-20 07:56
原帖由 老夫子 于 2007-7-19 23:01 发表
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只是在本月后要休息一段时间,不再发贴和博文了..有负朋友们的厚望了...
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作者: xinju    时间: 2008-1-6 16:36
时间肯定从1开始,另外从八卦理论太极生两仪,两仪生四象中也能悟出从1开始
3 k) l5 f6 J3 N5 N' o+ g- a3 |: ]* [研究一下周易就可得到,另外圣经里也有这事!
作者: transit2563    时间: 2008-2-29 17:52
有一种境界，不是价位，与价位一点关系都没有，是时间，是周期，是一种不必看k线就能预知未来会涨几天，跌几天，那时见底、见顶，这区段的型态是如何也不必管。…如果可做到这样，那价位…谁鸟他…
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獲利多少由市場決定  最重要的是如何預測時間點才是最困難
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7 n  J8 V' y4 V" ~# k1 Z: }全球股市即將大跌  但言者諄諄  聽者渺渺
7 s& Y# T. @) y# W7/25下午歐股出現重挫 即知晚上美股開盤一定大跌: d) A& k& \- ?% H
一切都在我預測當中   準確預測雖然已習慣了  
1 O2 W' T- m* Z5 @& X但當時內心還是震撼不已  
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呵呵.....
作者: 戊辰    时间: 2008-11-14 18:14
似曾相识,留下来学习!
作者: ahysx    时间: 2008-11-16 22:13
有一种境界，不是价位，与价位一点关系都没有，是时间，是周期，是一种不必看k线就能预知未来会涨几天，跌几天，那时见底、见顶，这区段的型态是如何也不必管。…如果可做到这样，那价位…谁鸟他…
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+ |! `% C& Z/ @$ t9 k& `一直憧憬着时间价位的一一对应，然而努力后才知道时间和价格永远不可能同步，要么价格前要么时间前，总有一个节拍跟不上。于是用一个时间循环模式框住价格的野马，如果以时间为参照物，价格似乎永远在迎合着时间的节拍。
作者: tts073    时间: 2009-6-28 13:44
学习贴 呵呵
作者: mzyma1355    时间: 2009-8-21 02:40
顶一下，惦念台湾的朋友！安否？
作者: fish    时间: 2009-8-21 08:06
无意间浏览，看到3楼静芸时间图，很精致，感觉太复杂。其实大道至简。九九归一，万物自身变化都有阴阳，自然从一开始。我是看大数，江恩四方图十字强支撑，阻力。如64下面34，时间又上涨8个月没有大的回调，我坚决认定到3400一波趋势结束。不必猜，大盘会告诉你。盛阳遇阴，趋势转折开始，这是宇宙定规律。7/29就是太极图中阳鱼的阴眼，当天我全部清仓。过度上涨当然过度下跌，但一定会在28遇到强支撑。我在2900点抢反弹，过早，兵困小山腰，人非圣贤。大盘制造一个空头陷阱，从昨天一根大阳宣告开始反弹。现在是筑底，到九月白露后再一波，这是诱多行情，到十月见到一个次高点，再c浪杀跌。从时间上也符合一年，现在套住的朋友做几个来回，高抛低吸，可解套。见到次高点后捂紧钱袋，笑看风云。一介小散，学习江恩理论的体会，后面的趋势，有待时间的证实。
作者: yktu    时间: 2009-8-21 11:42
原帖由 mzyma1355 於 2009-8-21 02:40 發表
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謝謝版主惦念
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作者: 99chchf    时间: 2009-8-22 16:19
在股市中的应用真不容易!真的要不停的学习!!!
作者: j91191    时间: 2009-8-22 18:34
I like I like
作者: CHENGTING    时间: 2009-8-26 17:31
学习！
作者: 1128    时间: 2009-8-27 17:49
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作者: 静芸    时间: 2009-8-27 21:32
原帖由 1128 于 2009-8-27 17:49 发表 8 f- Y( U; \( q
静芸mm好久没见了，你猜我是谁？我也在学江恩呢。。。
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真没想到是你啊,也没想到你会钻到江恩的东东来了,真有点太阳打西边出来的错觉,江的东东我只用法则,且都是第三代以后的东东,目前我用的主要以"波段结构进位法则"及"空间领域"两者为主,并以"趋势幅"及"单浪主结构"为辅
! G* {: y1 q% T2 z6 U* f所谓"波段结构进位法则"简单说譬如在空间领域"反弹区"的那个结构区进行中级反弹,那就已决定正常情况下大底部会在空间领域"筑底区"的那个结构区完成,同时以该结构区的目标位附近完成,这样的意义与"波动法则"的"法则"内涵相似5 o+ k9 w# @! ?8 \/ X" E
要研究江的东东,先要有心理准备,有可能一辈子都无法入门或入真境
6 k) t4 J& @. c$ J9 m0 {我在短信给你建构基本法则环境及结构法则环境的理念,如能做出90%以上任何大中小浪正确的"结构法则环境",那就是进入法则真境了,这是一条可能没回报的不归路,希望你能有谨慎思考, L6 I; z0 V- c
作者: jsyly    时间: 2009-8-27 21:45
难得见到静芸MM啊" V& C1 l7 q. a' M% _4 k/ q
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原帖由 1128 于 2009-8-27 17:51 发表 1 D" J4 T1 H4 g! C1 `) L! {$ h' W( z
如果你出现，你是前辈，有空我们讨论一下
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这是用趋势幅模仿"结构进位法则"做的, "结构进位"的法则类似这图的样子,不同的是在结构法则环境中,任何大中小浪必需90%以上正确的符合0.33, 0.66 , .等波动基数........
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作者: xyzabc    时间: 2009-8-28 17:36
你这方法有点类似我早期的"半对数"测幅法, 当时的半对数测幅法与第一代"法则"的计算基础一样,都是建立在"取浪幅"的基础,这样一来, "取浪幅"是个不稳定的因素,所以测幅也会有不稳定的效果,我现在的东东已经不建立在取浪幅基础上,,所以没有必要再经"努力发现我们正处在什么样的循环"这一关
7 h9 s. I8 V" `' {, c所谓基本环境中的二部曲(经由”透镜成像”与”功率放大”原理),大约类似你现在的放大效果,只不过第三部曲才是最重要的. w* x6 [3 }! |# @& X! D
会跳脱"取浪幅"这关,是经过几年下来数不清的尝试,数不清的灵感,与数不清的台股及内地A股的测试所得结果,这个过程只好由你自个儿去经历吧* R) ^6 n5 I1 C& s! T2 p5 T

  A8 A! U! ~' p) e8 s$ r# K这个是静云美女的跟贴吗？听起来很新颖的名词，很深的理论啊，不知道需要看什么书才能走到第三步呢？
作者: yktu    时间: 2009-8-28 18:25
原帖由 xyzabc 于 2009-8-28 17:36 发表 & p# U, P) p) N8 k
你这方法有点类似我早期的"半对数"测幅法, 当时的半对数测幅法与第一代"法则"的计算基础一样,都是建立在"取浪幅"的基础,这样一来, "取浪幅"是个不稳定的因素,所以测幅也会有不稳定的效果,我现在的东东已经不建立在取 ...

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7 R5 H4 [& A, q# t, Y是的,是静芸回的,取浪幅的法则环境从大约五年多以前做出来后,对于取浪幅这个不稳定困扰一直苦恼了将近三年,后来看到北京一家软件公司卖的"波神凯线"及几何版主一帖关于"波动法则是价格起伏的原因"一帖,$ C; Q$ N2 e3 {1 @4 d! D) }
得到[”透镜成像”与”功率放大”原理]的灵感,这是跳脱"取浪幅"的一个部曲,也因此摆脱"努力发现我们正处在什么样的循环"这一关,也摆脱不稳定的困扰
7 N3 t' y$ z' i建构基本法则环境三部曲如下
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4 }3 G8 A0 I0 F: i$ Z0 Y一部曲: 原始的激励
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Science teaches that 'an "original impulse" of any kind finally resolves itself into a periodic or rhythmical motion; also, just as the pendulum returns again in its swing, just as the moon returns in its orbit, just as the advancing year over brings the rose of spring, so do the properties of the elements periodically recur as the weight of the atoms rises."
1 j- u! `; t% Y% |+ S- ["I have found that in the stock itself exists its harmonic or inharmonious relationship to the driving power or force behind it. The secret of all its activity is therefore apparent. By my method I can determine ""the vibration of each stock"" and also, by taking certain time values into consideration, I can, in the majority of cases, tell exactly what the stock will do under given conditions."+ @5 h* w, D+ d; s
"The power to determine the trend of the market is due to my knowledge of the characteristics of each individual stock and a certain grouping of different stocks under their “proper rates of vibration”. Stocks are like electrons, atoms and molecules, which hold persistently to their own individuality in response to "the fundamental law"& p# w0 j& R$ W5 D" S
到第三部曲可看"空中隧道"及"The Ticker and Investment Digest"8 \( v5 S- c  b/ o: \6 [! @
上面三段英文是来自"The Ticker and Investment Digest"
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作者: neilyoung    时间: 2009-8-28 18:29
yktu 与 静芸 好像是同一个人的两个ID.
作者: xyzabc    时间: 2009-8-28 18:34
是的,是静芸回的,取浪幅的法则环境从大约五年多以前做出来后,对于取浪幅这个不稳定困扰一直苦恼了将近三年,后来看到北京一家软件公司卖的"波神凯线"及几何版主一帖关于"波动法则是价格起伏的原因"一帖,) l" l8 T6 e' N
得到[”透镜成像”与”功率放大”原理]的灵感,这是跳脱"取浪幅"的一个部曲,也因此摆脱"努力发现我们正处在什么样的循环"这一关,也摆脱不稳定的困扰- S0 B# ]" h5 t7 m; C
建构基本法则环境三部曲如下% o; B' C* E" P5 q- d
一部曲: 原始的激励- e# a1 d# p" a6 k9 R
二部曲: 经由”透镜成像”与”功率放大”原理转换/ r+ ~0 ~' j! V. `/ @9 c
三部曲: 再定基数重组成法则
) w: l6 R& h# _Science teaches that 'an "original impulse" of any kind finally resolves itself into a periodic or rhythmical motion; also, just as the pendulum returns again in its swing, just as the moon returns in its orbit, just as the advancing year over brings the rose of spring, so do the properties of the elements periodically recur as the weight of the atoms rises."
7 X/ v, @6 t1 G) v"I have found that in the stock itself exists its harmonic or inharmonious relationship to the driving power or force behind it. The secret of all its activity is therefore apparent. By my method I can determine ""the vibration of each stock"" and also, by taking certain values into consideration, I can, in the majority of cases, tell exactly what the stock will do under given conditions.": X0 @+ w9 V& [- J. r" \! @" F0 v6 m
"The power to determine the trend of the market is due to my knowledge of the characteristics of each individual stock and a certain grouping of different stocks under their “proper rates of vibration”. Stocks are like electrons, atoms and molecules, which hold persistently to their own individuality in response to "the fundamental law". M/ d7 K) w. ]% K! L- S
到第三部曲可看"空中隧道"及"The Ticker and Investment Digest": D9 a, V' \% O$ t0 O
上面三段英文是来自"The Ticker and Investment Digest"
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作者: neilyoung    时间: 2009-8-28 18:40
标题: The Ticker and Investment Digest
The Ticker and Investment Digest
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3 C4 b* T7 x  @  t$ e/ x% x, d(later became the Wall Street Journal)* O; i3 J4 p2 H
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December of 1909
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William D. Gann 0 ^0 [! t+ a' A
An Operator Whose Science and Ability Place( Y% M! }  e2 X9 Q) e; \
Him in the Front Rank
: D! d' T# i2 y9 y, J9 sHis Remarkable Predictions and Trading Records
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Sometime ago the attention of this magazine was attracted by certain long pull Stock Market predictions which were being made by William D. Gann. In a large number of cases Mr. Gann gave us, in advance, the exact points at which certain stocks and commodities would sell, together with prices close to the then prevailing figures which would not be touched. $ f& K, }5 C2 l( {5 M0 A7 {! M! a

* c! I* d! ]) s# b  S9 n; FFor instance, when the New York Central was 131 he predicted that it would sell at 145 before 129. So repeatedly did his figures prove to be accurate, and so different did his work appear from that of any expert whose methods we had examined, that we set about to investigate Mr. Gann and his way of figuring out these predictions, as well as the particular use which he was making of them in the market. . n9 ^4 L% ~# \: z' X9 Y
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The results of this investigation are remarkable in many ways.
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/ Q7 M# z+ }& V+ S# B9 t- ~: K& YIt appears to be a fact Mr. W, D. Gann has developed an entirely new idea as to the principles governing stock market movements. He bases his operations upon certain natural laws which, though existing since the world began, have only in recent years been subjected to the will of man and added to the list of so-called modern discoveries. We have asked Mr. Gann for an outline of his work, and have secured some remarkable evidence as to the results obtained therefrom. 8 R& z  y8 r: ]' J7 U

3 q! N& Y# b: F9 kWe submit this in full recognition of the fact that in Wall Street a man with a new idea, an idea which violates the traditions and encourages a scientific view of the Proposition, is not usually welcomed by the majority, for the reason that he stimulates thought and research. These activities the said majority abhors.
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W. D. Gann's description of his experience and methods is given herewith. It should be read with recognition of the established fact that Mr. Gann's predictions have proved correct in a large majority of instances. ( K: |0 N# w! h! P8 J

6 ?/ V5 g& \: C, _/ C# k& [  _- @7 Y"For the past ten years I have devoted my entire time and attention to the speculative markets. Like many others, I lost thousands of dollars and experienced the usual ups and downs incidental to the novice who enters the market without preparatory knowledge of the subject."
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"I soon began to realize that all successful men, whether Lawyers, Doctors or Scientists, devoted years of time to the study and investigation of their particular pursuit or profession before attempting to make any money out of it."
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& k5 u. b* p0 }: h"Being in the Brokerage business myself and handling large accounts, I had opportunities seldom afforded the ordinary man for studying the cause of success and failure in the speculations of others. I found that over ninety percent of the traders who go into the market without knowledge or study usually lose in the end."
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"I soon began to note the periodical recurrence of the rise and fall in stocks and commodities. This led me to conclude that natural law was the basis of market movements. I then decided to devote ten years of my life to the study of natural law as applicable to the speculative markets and to devote my best energies toward making speculation a profitable profession. After exhaustive researches and investigations of the known sciences, I discovered that the law of vibration enabled me to accurately determine the exact points at which stocks or commodities should rise and fall within a given time."3 }& d  i) _7 Z4 L" @$ }4 D
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The working out of this law determines the cause and predicts the effect long before the street is aware of either. Most speculators can testify to the fact that it is looking at the effect and ignoring the cause that has produced their losses.1 T$ I0 M; f% e7 z

& M. u' S8 `9 ?7 {" u& m"It is impossible here to give an adequate idea of the law of vibrations as I apply it to the markets. However, the layman may be able to grasp some of the principles when I state that the law of vibration is the fundamental law upon which wireless telegraphy, wireless telephone and phonographs are based. Without the existence of this law the above inventions would have been impossible." 3 e8 G& a  z0 v0 a1 x

; V7 y6 m( S- [  K4 t% U0 F"In order to test the efficiency of my idea I have not only put in years of labour in the regular way, but I spent nine months working night and day in the Astor Library in New York and in the British Museum of London, going over the records of stock transactions as far back as 1820. I have incidentally examined the manipulations of Jay Gould, Daniel Drew, Commodore Vanderbilt & all other important manipulators from that time to the present day. I have examined every quotation of Union Pacific prior to & from the time of E. H. Harriman, Mr. Harriman's was the most masterly. The figures show that, whether unconsciously or not, Mr. Harriman worked strictly in accordance with natural law."
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& H' @% E- t) n( k* R( c1 d"In going over the history of markets and the great mass of related statistics, it soon becomes apparent that certain laws govern the changes and variations in the value of stocks, and that there exists a periodic or cyclic law which is at the back of all these movements. Observation has shown that there are regular periods of intense activity on the Exchange followed by periods of inactivity."
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! W; ], ?, X5 ?) [+ p, n3 T* a2 N( dMr. Henry Hall in his recent book devoted much space to "Cycles of Prosperity and Depression," which he found recurring at regular intervals of time. The law which I have applied will not only give these long cycles or swings, but the daily and even hourly movements of stocks. By knowing the exact vibration of each individual stock I am able to determine at what point each will receive support and at what point the greatest resistance is to be met.
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"Those in close touch with the market have noticed the phenomena of ebb and flow, or rise and fall, in the value of stocks. At certain times a stock will become intensely active, large transactions being made in it; at other times this same stock will become practically stationary or inactive with a very small volume of sales. I have found that the law of vibration governs and controls these conditions. I have also found that certain phases of this law govern the rise in a stock and an entirely different rule operates on the decline." (remark: the environment built under the law of vibration is like a organic living  thing)  . D( ~8 @2 ]: X. U

. }, h) h' e+ h"While Union Pacific and other railroad stocks which made their high prices in August were declining, United States Steel Common was steadily advancing. The law of vibration was at work, sending a particular stock on the upward trend whilst others were trending downward."
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"The power to determine the trend of the market is due to my knowledge of the characteristics of each individual stock and a certain grouping of different stocks under their proper rates of vibration. Stocks are like electrons, atoms and molecules, which hold persistently to their own individuality in response to the fundamental law of vibration. Science teaches that 'an original impulse of any kind finally resolves itself into a periodic or rhythmical motion; also, just as the pendulum returns again in its swing, just as the moon returns in its orbit, just as the advancing year over brings the rose of spring, so do the properties of the elements periodically recur as the weight of the atoms rises." 6 q9 N6 z; J5 W  ?# U
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"From my extensive investigations, studies and applied tests, I find that not only do the various stocks vibrate, but that the driving forces controlling the stocks are also in a state of vibration. These vibratory forces can only be known by the movements they generate on the stocks and their values in the market. Since all great swings or movements of the market are cyclic, they act in accordance with periodic law." (remark: This has to be fulfilled through the checking procedure to identify where the cycle is located at by using the law of vibration itself. The varying character of vibratory forces also confirms that  the environment composed under the law of vibration is just like a organic living  thing): G# l/ m3 ^9 E+ ]
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"Science has laid down the principle that the properties of an element are a periodic function of its atomic weight. A famous scientist has stated that 'we are brought to the conviction that diversity in phenomenal nature in its different kingdoms is most intimately associated with numerical relationship. The numbers are not intermixed accidentally but are subject to regular periodicity. The changes and developments are seen to be in many cases as somewhat odd." : `3 o! P- {/ {% W5 Q* b7 Q! c

  ~0 Y1 O# _. M# TThus, I affirm every class of phenomena, whether in nature or on the stock market, must be subject to the universal law of causation and harmony. Every effect must have an adequate cause. 8 _: |" M7 J$ u4 n# R7 Q0 b6 E
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"If we wish to avert failure in speculation we must deal with causes. Everything in existence is based on exact proportion and perfect relationship. There is no chance in nature, because mathematical principles of the highest order lie at the foundation of all things. (remark: don't count on chance in stock market, but depend on the mathematical law) Faraday said, "There is nothing in the universe but mathematical points of force."5 G0 ^1 d. Y* p( K1 i

7 n& z) w4 u+ k  W, O7 ~"Vibration is fundamental: nothing is exempt from this law. It is universal, therefore applicable to every class of phenomena on the globe."
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7 A) b) z9 i1 yThrough the law of vibration every stock in the market moves in its own distinctive sphere of activities, as to intensity, volume and direction; all the essential qualities of its evolution are characterized in its own rate of vibration. (remark: The rate of vibration is the proper result produced from the checking procedure in using the law of vibration to identify where the cycle is located at through the applicable past vibration) Stocks, like atoms, are really centres of energy; therefore, they are controlled mathematically. Stocks create their own field of action and power: power to attract and repel, which principle explains why certain stocks at times lead the market and 'turn dead' at other times. Thus, to speculate scientifically it is absolutely necessary to follow natural law. % k3 _: d! k/ {% _" ~8 L) x) h+ d

, R/ M- g  M6 A( J0 `- i8 ~4 W0 }"After years of patient study I have proven to my entire satisfaction, as well as demonstrated to others, that vibration explains every possible phase and condition of the market."
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In order to substantiate Mr. W. D. Gann's claims as to what he has been able to do under his method, we called upon Mr. William E. Gilley, an Inspector of Imports, 16 Beaver Street, New York. Mr. Gilley is well known in the downtown district. He himself has studied stock market movements for twenty-five years, during which time he has examined every piece of market literature that has been issued & procurable in Wall Street. It was he who encouraged Mr. Gann to study the scientific and mathematical possibilities of the subject. When asked what had been the most impressive of Mr. Gann's work and predictions, he replied as follows : , n) ^4 G4 _# _# m% R

9 h% k2 j6 ]1 [' N, ^"It is very difficult for me to remember all the predictions and operations of W. D. Gann which may be classed as phenomenal, but the following are a few. "In 1908 when the Union Pacific was 168-1/8, he told me it would not touch 169 before it had a good break. We sold it short all the way down to 152-5/8, covering on the weak spots and putting it out again on the rallies, securing twenty-three points profit out of an eighteen-point market wave."
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, x, T& _: P7 k; x: q" k8 t( T"He came to me when United States Steel was selling around 50, and said, "This steel will run up to 58 but it will not sell at 59. From there it should break 16 points." We sold it short around 58 with a stop at 59. The highest it went was 58. From there it declined to 41-17 points."
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8 N! x# V& T5 d  B' u  Q2 y. u: M8 Y"At another time, wheat was selling at about 89¢. Gann predicted that the May option would sell at $1.35. We bought it and made large profits on the way up. It actually touched $1.35."
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"Mr. Gann's calculations are based on natural law. I have followed Gann and his work closely for years. I know that he has a firm grasp of the basic principles which govern stock market movements, and I do not believe any other man can duplicate the idea or his method at the present time." (remark: I have catched gann's spirit of the law of vibration and take it further into the step where the principle of image conversion in camera and magnification phenomenon  in speaker is applied and the compound effect of both mathametic vibration and geometric vibration is also solved.)
9 V/ x- O+ I9 a% u* ~- J"Early this year, he figured that the top of the advance would fall on a certain day in August and calculated the prices at which the Dow Jones Averages would then stand. The market culminated on the exact day and within four-tenths of one percent of the figures predicted." 7 [. K0 @  J" [( C' D4 Z$ @% S  v
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"You and W D Gann must have cleaned up considerable money on all these operations," was suggested.
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"Yes, we have made a great deal of money. Gann has taken half-million dollars out of the market in the past few years. I once saw him take $130, and in less than one month run it up to over $12,000. Gann can compound money faster than any man I have ever met."
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& `' j4 Q, _* Y; A. I/ l0 N' E"One of the most astonishing calculations made by Mr. Gann was during last summer [1909] when he predicted that September Wheat would sell at $1.20. This meant that it must touch that figure before the end of the month of September. At twelve o'clock, Chicago time, on September 30th (the last day) the option was selling below $1.08, and it looked as though his prediction would not be fulfilled. Mr. Gann said, 'If it does not touch $1.20 by the close of the market it will prove that there is something wrong with my whole method of calculation. I do not care what the price is now, it must go there.' It is common history that September Wheat surprised the whole country by selling at $1.20 and no higher in the very last hour of trading, closing at that figure." + {' i9 j' Z  [! g2 f
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So much for what W D Gann has said and done as evidenced by himself & others. Now as to what demonstrations have taken place before our representative :& q% s; G/ }# Z) Y

" Q2 T8 D) r4 i- w! ~0 S3 ODuring the month of October, 1909, in twenty-five market days, W D Gann made, in the presence of our representative, two hundred and eighty-six transactions in various stocks, on both the long and short side of the market. Two hundred and sixty-four of these transactions resulted in profits ; twenty-two in losses.
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1 }& s' ?7 i& ^( p- cThe capital with which he operated was doubled ten times, so that at the end of the month he had one thousand percent of his original margin. ! @8 P9 x6 s0 p3 d
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In our presence Mr. William D. Gann sold Steel common short at 94-7/8, saying that it would not go to 95. It did not./ z9 t/ r; Y; F5 P) s+ T4 m
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On a drive which occurred during the week ending October 29, Mr. Gann bought U.S. Steel common stock at 86-1/4, saying that it would not go to 86. The lowest it sold was 86-1/3.
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We have seen gann give in one day sixteen successive orders in the same stock, eight of which turned out to be at either the top or the bottom eighth of that particular swing. The above we can positively verify.2 N1 k; @. {' {% J# L, n3 `* y8 ]

6 `" _8 z6 z3 U7 p0 f6 u* eSuch performances as these, coupled with the foregoing, are probably unparalleled in the history of the Street.
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9 Q% `3 }$ g* {0 j: `' q1 n/ \James R. Koene has said, "The man who is right six times out of ten will make a fortune." Gann is a trader who, without any attempt to make a showing, for he did not know the results were to be published, established a record of over ninety-two percent profitable trades.
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Mr. W. D. Gann has refused to disclose his method at any price, but to those scientifically inclined he has unquestionably added to the stock of Wall Street knowledge and pointed out infinite possibilities. , L. P! \. I7 j4 B
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We have requested Mr. Gann to figure out for the readers of the Ticker a few of the most striking indications which appear in his calculations. In presenting these we wish it understood that no man, in or out of Wall Street, is infallible." \* m6 A- R. W" Z- M
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William D Gann's figures at present indicate that the trend of the stock market should, barring the usual rallies, be toward the lower prices until March or April 1910. - L) K9 h* r% E! i
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He calculates that May Wheat, which is now selling at $1.02, should not sell below 99¢, and should sell at $1.45 next spring. & u) B, E- y' J. `  t

7 W( Z7 I, B, M4 K3 `, f: KOn Cotton, which is now at about 15¢ level, he estimates that after a good reaction from these prices the commodity should reach 18¢ in the spring of 1910. He looks for a corner in the March or May option.
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Whether these figures prove correct or not will in no way detract from the record which W. D. Gann has already established. 4 o, `& c& r3 P* ?
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William Delbert Gann was born in Lufkin, Texas, and is thirty-one years of age. He is a gifted mathematician, has an extraordinary memory for figures, and is an expert Tape Reader. Take away his science and he would beat the market on his intuitive tape reading alone.
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Endowed as he is with such qualities, we have no hesitation in predicting that, within a comparatively few years, William D. Gann will receive recognition as one of Wall Street's leading operators. 7 V  A, Q8 V* s7 [

1 ~5 W5 Z% z1 I2 w7 [( z+ {0 FNote: Since the market forecast was made, Coffee has suffered the expected decline, the extreme break having been 120 points. The lowest on the May wheat thus far has been $1.01-5/8. It is now selling at $1.06-1/4.
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作者: yktu    时间: 2009-8-28 20:28
给1128朋友的主结构
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作者: yktu    时间: 2009-8-28 20:38
原帖由 1128 于 2009-8-28 20:05 发表 1 M3 h: V5 g! M9 y
静芸1a0001日线这里下载。83913

9 E/ _, Y5 J+ _' k4 F已导入,谢谢你
作者: xyzabc    时间: 2009-8-28 20:45
按照3图 还安全?
作者: 天蓝蓝    时间: 2009-8-28 20:57
看33图好像还没有到底啊！
作者: yktu    时间: 2009-8-28 21:13
原帖由 天蓝蓝 于 2009-8-28 20:57 发表
+ [9 F' P  e4 |* y" L( B  g( o5 c看33图好像还没有到底啊！

2 l9 X& }9 X" M7 @: v70与71楼二位朋友别误解才好,主结构只看后面要再起多头浪时绝不可破坏前面重要主结构,不是说非要跌到这的意思
作者: gannyjyj    时间: 2009-8-28 22:02
猜猜静芸的意思：
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: ^1 ]  |( p( L* G! K+ B1.采集以前的波段拐点确定各种用于向未来进行透镜式延展的基础结构。
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% |4 m7 r7 k" a$ }2.按照透镜法则向未来进行时间或空间的延展。; a# c) L3 u6 \$ B

) `$ d4 O* [. e" C* y3.采用“无罪推定原则”，凡没有超出某结构时空延展范围的行情，即认为仍在该结
4 E+ g1 k. L) o+ X; J3 u" O1 G9 n构控制中，按照该结构的扩展性时空转点计算可能的变盘时空位置。! ^0 Q1 n; w$ J9 Z1 w3 c4 c
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4.检查在某时或某位是否有一个或多个结构的延展点有效，并按照有效的延展点的数量和它们代表的结构的时空规模确定转折力度。, l5 C2 [4 Y3 U- D

3 D' Q5 d" m+ Q7 H+ q" P5 o5.根据第四步计算结果确定进出场的时空位置及止损点。
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作者: gannyjyj    时间: 2009-8-28 22:31
看样子不是江恩思想。 0 ?) L1 I9 L6 G1 H, x7 {6 o; h
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管他什么，管用就好！
作者: yktu    时间: 2009-8-29 01:20
原帖由 gannyjyj 于 2009-8-28 22:02 发表
2 f  y+ g+ v2 Q# h/ U4 z8 M( S" p1 k: W猜猜静芸的意思：
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. S0 V) J; s7 M1.采集以前的波段拐点确定各种用于向未来进行透镜式延展的基础结构。
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* {8 u! g  Y3 Z2.按照透镜法则向未来进行时间或空间的延展。6 c* v8 I2 i* J( t( J

# U# F6 W- U9 R, }3.采用“无罪推定原则”，凡没有超出某结构时空延展范围的行情，即认为 ...
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这位朋友想必对江东东也有深厚研究,谢谢回复
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对朋友你的问题,尽量就我自己理念相关点回复, 或许也未全然了解你的意思
& e5 V( `5 D) |3 K. F" k1.既然已摆脱"努力发现我们正处在什么样的循环"这一关的困扰, 透镜式延展的基础是建立在"波动率","法则"及"凌空"等内含的展延,法则内含由原始基本意义脱胎为"结构法则",并以"空间领域"辅助, 所以没有"采集以前的波段拐点"这个问题,因为这就回到波幅问题的困扰, "空间领域"只适下跌趋势,因为下跌是收敛波动,上涨是发散波动,使用很勉强
: B5 T/ _$ h$ S5 ]# }* n; g透镜式延展只是第二部曲, "波动率"及"法则"才是建构出法则环境最重要的第三部曲
# }0 d8 X: I- }6 f+ E2我的理念中,在法则环境中,没有时间的影子,江之所以说在法则还境里,"预测50年或100年一如预测一年或二年那么简单",例如一支走八年多头的股票,用日线数据若有人能在正确的起点便定出多头会在八年后结束,那是神或仙之类人物了,以日线要在起点定出多头在50年或100年后结束,就算神或仙之类人物了,短短几十年生命,这种预测在我观念没意义, 这个走八年多头的股票只走三个波动基数,却浪费投资者八年时间,这是为何我说"没有时间的影子",所以我不会去追求"何时何价"或"时价转换",这是别人的事,但我认为想做这二件事却没有建立在"波动率"及"法则"二物上,那这二事我没一丁点兴趣,因为在法则环境中,在正确的起点不久已定出未来的一切波动,不如此谈时间或空间都是在猜
2 s4 V7 w( y2 ?# J我的法则环境只做空间的延展,时间波与空间未直接连系, 同样在正确的起点不久已定出未来的一切时间波动,当然精确性最多是空间的七成
1 R3 A3 l! p; ]+ p3.股价依台股几十年交易成长经验大约是呈长期衰退现像,这是股本成长及技术循环瓶颈造成的,所以基本上可用"下跌结构法则"及"空间领域"定位,当股价上涨创历史新高时才用"上涨结构法则",在大行情中股价上涨10~20倍时,用过去"波幅测法"是不切实际的,这也是为何说上涨是发散波动,不太适用空间领域,在下跌的各个空间领域各有一个或多个结构,股价在各领域各自完成相应动作,例如反弹区正常会完成中级反弹,在那个结构的那个目标区位完成反弹,依照结构进位法则,正常会在空间领域筑底区的相应结构(或结构内目标区位)完成底部,超跌时正常多走一个结构,所以我是在进位结构中找买点,如果少数在进位法则半途拐头向上,那就看主结构及趋势幅线的辅助少量短线或不做个股,原则上在"多头争扎领域"可多此种短操作,在反弹区下面领域少此种短操作; _7 e. j4 h" M+ Q
4及5,基本上既然结构法则环境已做到90%以上任何大中小浪须符合0.33,0.66,....基数,..., 依结构进位法则及多走一个结构的涵盖范围,原则上没有你说的4情况,至于反弹力度就简单了,通常,二个,三个或四个结构,再上就比较少了,上证由6124至1664过程,在第一反弹结构区附近作了小中级反弹,之后又依正常情形在正常筑底结构区目标区位附近完成底部,反弹至3478便是在第二结构区目标区位附近,所以操作以中线为主,短线不善长# o! }, l" w- ?7 M6 U
看56楼的模仿,应该能看出一点结构法则环境的大致外貌, 只不过在90%以上正确的结构法则环境中任何大中小浪须90%以上符合0.33,0.66,....波动基数, o) `  X* b3 R* |2 _

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作者: yktu    时间: 2009-8-29 01:38
原帖由 1128 于 2009-8-28 22:12 发表 ( n5 {5 v& m& A
我贴张，当时我判断头部的部分依据图，实际和我的判断误差两天，下图是大波段的，实际上利用1664以来的小波段同样可以判断本次顶部的时间和空间，我也就不罗嗦了。图片仅供交流。3 s) p; h3 X9 b1 f0 B; N6 k1 i
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/ z0 s, t) @$ \( h) R5 a哈,原来你是这样看时间波的,也不错,只不过我不去看这些过去的循环纠葛或成因,俺的时间结构进位法则(次要辅助)及中浪时间法则(主要辅助)顺便给你,
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作者: xyzabc    时间: 2009-8-29 07:28
原帖由 1128 于 2009-8-28 22:12 发表 $ l+ L" O: s2 a$ I! z0 Y+ g
我贴张，当时我判断头部的部分依据图，实际和我的判断误差两天，下图是大波段的，实际上利用1664以来的小波段同样可以判断本次顶部的时间和空间，我也就不罗嗦了。图片仅供交流。
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这个图好啊!请教你怎么把四方形引入软件的?
作者: 1128    时间: 2009-8-29 08:37
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作者: 透明虫子    时间: 2009-8-29 14:49
学习: K- {9 J' L6 x6 I
作者: gannyjyj    时间: 2009-8-29 20:46
原帖由 yktu 于 2009-8-29 01:20 发表 ( l/ t7 ?, B: w+ P" M( J) K
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这位朋友想必对江东东也有深厚研究,谢谢回复
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, E. P; C( R& O  f对朋友你的问题,尽量就我自己理念相关点回复, 或许也未全然了解你的意思) p5 H) O/ p7 K
1.既然已摆脱"努力发现我们正处在什么样的循环"这一关的困扰, 透 ...

. I3 H6 E( e" P* i- o% V谢谢静芸MM的长篇回复！ 看来我是完全没有弄明白你的意思。
) @4 |8 r9 f5 H- g我发帖并非是提什么问题，仅仅是给高手们的讨论助兴，不成想MM如此详细的回复，如此看出MM为人之坦诚与热情，能与你共同交流实在是令人愉快之事。
3 A7 K5 _6 W" A# J以前看你的帖知道MM是技术指标方面的超一流高手，一直心存敬意，今日有缘本应好好向你学习，但无奈本人才疏学浅，虽有交流之心但实无交流之力，所以就此打住，他日若能提高水平再向MM请教。现在还是以顶帖学习为主。
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作者: wanghuo    时间: 2009-10-14 10:49
谢谢！！



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